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rejecting the candidacy of one of their own, robert f. kennedy jr. good evening. i'm jason johnson in for joy reid. we begin tonight with a breakthrough moment in the first criminal trial of donald trump. hours ago, new york judge juan merchan declaring that, quote, we have our jury. that's right. after three days, 12 people, seven men and five women, have been selected and sworn in to decide for the first time in american history whether a former president is guilty of a crime. an alternate has also been sworn in. five more are yet to be chosen, but the judge remains hopeful that opening statements can begin as soon as monday. it is a major development in the hush money election interference trial. but it didn't come without some drama this morning as two jurors already seated were abruptly dismissed. excused after questions were raised about the accuracy of some of the answers he had given

the court. the other was dismissed after telling the judge she had concerns about her identity becoming public. the juror said friends and family have already inquired about whether she's a juror. and given these outside influences she was concerned about her ability to be fair and impartial. after excusing her, judge merchan instructed journalists in the room to stop reporting on perspective jurors' employers and asked them to use common sense when giving physical descriptions. all of which just goes to show one of the major challenges these jurors face in deciding the criminal fate of one of the most well known and dangerous people in the country. as "the new york times" puts it, quote, jurors are risking their safety and their privacy to sit in judgment of a former commander in chief who is now their fellow citizen. a heavy responsibility that could unnerve even the most seen it all of new yorkers. and it comes as the d.a.'s office said this morning that

trump has violated the judge's gag order an additional seven times. including a post he made yesterday quoting fox's jesse waters falsely claiming that some of the perspective jurors are, quote, undercover liberal activists. joining me now to discuss is susanne craig, "new york times" investigative reporter and msnbc contributor. she was in that courtroom today. katie phang, trial attorney and host of the katie phang show here on msnbc, and renato mariotti, former federal prosecutor. thank you for joining me. this is fantastic. i'm going to start with this. katie, this is just a general question that non-lawyers like me who lived through the o.j. trial, it immediately occur to me given the concerns we have about safety. is there a possibility these jurors could be sequestered? because it seems to me this question of keeping their identity safe and having the reporters not say, well, he had glasses and she was this color

and that color. it seems to me that sequestering the jury might be the safest thing. is that a possibility in this case? >> i don't think it's a possibility at this point. could judge merchan do it as a remedy because things get worse? sure, but part of the complicatingish sue is when you're going through a jury selection process, when you do have the intentions of sequestering a jury, that is part of the analysis in the perspective juror's mind as to whether or not they can commit to sit in service on a jury like this trial. so part of what's going to be a problem is, can you really go back to square one? can you really scratch everything? if you try to sequester this jury and then you get people that say, look, i cannot for whatever reason, maybe they have to care for somebody in the evenings, they're otherwise okay during the day, but they cannot make that commitment to be out of pocket literally for weeks. so i think that's the biggest complicating factor you have here. all of that being said, it

doesn't mean judge juan merchan is without recourse if donald trump continues to violate gag orders and threatens the safety and security of the jurors once we have our 12 plus 6 alternates. that includes everything up to confinement, incarceration, jail for donald trump. i understand there's been arguments made that, oh, it's so logistically difficult because he has secret service et cetera. i have said it before and i'll say it again for you, there's really no other safe place to be in a jail. you're in a cell, you have walls, and you're not going anywhere. i feel like there are remedies available for the judge. sequestering may not be an option at this point. >> so you were in the courtroom today, and i want to ask about this because there's always been comments that trump fell asleep and trump was having trouble paying attention, et cetera. you have been in courtrooms before. they're difficult. they're not always fun. they're not always interesting.

just based on what we know about donald trump and what we have seen so far, what do you think his capacity is to hold himself to any sort of reasonable or responsible behavior through an eight-week trial? i mean, he's a fidgety old man and i don't know he's able do this. what is the likelihood of that and how might his lawyers being anticipating the fact he's hard to control? >> i think there's two things there, and i think one thing we noticed today is he was very alert. and he was paying attention to the jury, but i think the variable in his alertness was the courtroom was extremely cold today. and the other days it's been hot. and they have two speeds going on downtown in those courtrooms. it's pretty cold and it's really hot. so i think that really actually made a difference. so i think on the alertness level, he'll be awake if it's that cold. we all were. it was freezing and it was freezing outside. i think on the other question, i think it's going to be hard for him to control himself.

on monday, we saw he was admonished by the judge for i wouldn't say jury tampering but he was kind of menacing with a juror. a juror was called in and asked some questions, and he was doing his hand gestures and sighing. it was audible and the judge said enough. and if he continues to act up, there's no fine at the end of that. the judge can actually put him in jail. >> renato, speaking of the jurors, the jurors have to give up their life, put themselves in danger, there's a lot of risk. then they have to deal with bad faith and dangerous members of the press. i want to play some sound from jesse waters at the other network and some of his comments about one of the jurors. get your thoughts on the other side. >> she said two things that really stuck out. one, quote, i don't really have an opinion of trump. and quote, no one is above the law. i'm not so sure about juror

number two. >> now, look, this juror has now been excused. she's not involved in the trial anymore. i have said like any common sense person, it's very difficult to find anyone who doesn't have an opinion of donald trump. but i think what's important about what we just saw there is not just an absolutely terrible person masquerading as a journalist threatening the life of someone trying to do their civic duty, but we saw what the overall concerns are that people have that, look, i'm just answering the letter i got in the mail to do jury duty, and my whole life is being put up like a linkedin chat. what do you think can be done other than just asking journalists to be more responsible, what can we done to keep these people safe? i'll be honest with you, if we already had two people drop out, i can't imagine we're not going to have maybe a week into the trial somebody else say i can't do this and leave. that could throw the whole trial into chaos. >> i think we saw the first step

towards that today. when the attorney, the main attorney, the lead attorney for donald trump asked the prosecution which witnesses are going to be called the next day, the prosecution refused to reveal those witnesses because they were concerned about intimidation, and what did the judge do? he backed them up. he said yes, i'm not going to require the prosecution to tell you which winces are called. why does that matter? i'll tell you as someone who has tried dozens and dozens of cases, that's a typical request and courtesy given so this way the defense can prepare for those two or three witnesses and not have to be ready for all of the potential witnesses that could be called over a six-week trial. what was the judge doing there? he is using his discretion and his control of the courtroom in ways that will penalize trump more than $1,000, more than some inconsequential fine, but will actually hit him where it hurts,

in the trial where the judge has power. so i think judge merchan, both in instructing the press as you mentioned earlier, and in controlling the courtroom, is starting to come with ways to put pressure on trump and get him to behave. >> katie, one of the things that's been really interesting to me in the jury selection is trying to find that sweet spot. there's absolutely nobody on this panel tonight who would ever get on a jury. like, they don't like lawyers, they don't like journalists, they don't like educators. >> i don't know, jason. first, i apologize, but there are lawyers that are on this jury. so lawyers do make it. you would be surprised. go ahead. >> that's what i wanted to ask about. what's the mind set behind that? generally speaking, and my knowledge, you're afraid of people like that. if i'm a lawyer, i'm thinking, oh, my goodness. if this lawyer is in agreement with my argument, they're going to be sort of my paralegal in the jury room, but if they don't

agree with me, his is somebody who is sophisticated enough to undermine my entire case. what is the mindset behind the prosecution and defense with having a lawyer on the jury or having an educator on the jury? what's the philosophy, the strategy? >> again, i apologize. my dog is agreeing with you. one of the wrinkles that happened because it's new york and it's unusual, because the foreperson is already determined by the very first juror who is sworn in and seated, who we already know is a gentleman, because that happens, then it becomes a little bit okay to have lawyers. why? because normally when you actually have jurors going into a deliberation room or jury room and they participate in the selection of the foreperson process, sometimes you're concerned if you're a lawyer and selecting jurors that other jurors are going to say, you know what, we want to make that lawyer our foreperson because they know the law. considering the fact some of the

lawyers that have been screened and filters out are corporate lawyers, not necessarily criminal lawyers, i think that kind of gives a little bit of ease to the people that are here. i put so much faith, jason, in the ability for these manhattan d.a. office prosecutors to make these decisions. they had limitless for-cause challenges. so if the juror could not be fair and impartial, they were gone straight out the gate, but they also had a certain number of preempatory strikes. the d.a.'s office was left with two strikes when the defense had no left. it's a dance you're doing in the art of jury selection, but having lawyers on a jury is not necessarily a bad thing especially when you have a case that involves documents, not complex, but when you have to read a statute and consider

falsification of business records in the first degree, because you're trying to cover up something else. sometimes lawyers are able to break down those statutes in a way that makes it better for them to serve on a jury like this. >> susanne craig, katie phang, renato mariana are staying with me because there's so much more to talk about. this all-star panel is back with me on the other side of the break. it's jason johnson sitting in on "the reidout."

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the guy, but they say they can look at the situation fairly? >> i think some of them, yes. i think we have some people, i'm sure, in there that don't like him. but can set aside those feelings and move forward. i sat through the trump criminal trial, the trump organization criminal trial in late 2022. donald trump wasn't a defendant in that, so it was a little easier because they could say you may hate the guy, but this is about his company. can you set your feelings about him aside? but i do think they're there, but i think what we saw today, there are some that can be fair and some that got up and said they could be fair and then donald trump and his team, as well as the government, they have access to the names of these jurors. and they started scrubbing their social media profiles and they found stuff that contradicted statements like i can be fair. you know, they had tweets that were pulled up that were disparaging about the former

president and those jurors were excused and were questioned about that. but we definitely saw that today. so some of them maybe forgot they had done it. whatever the case was. it's difficult to pick a jury, and you also are seeing coming into this, and it was jarring this morning, we had seven jurors picked last night. we came in this morning, and one of them came in and had that change of heart, and part of it was, you know, she was worried her family knew that she was down there, even though she hadn't identified herself. the other fellow that was excused, there were some questions about his integrity raised. we don't know if that's why he was excused, but he also said he had questions about the identity. it goes to show how hard this is. i wouldn't be surprised if we walked in tomorrow and lose one or two based on what happened yesterday. >> renato, this is another part of this i think is particularly

interesting. the fear, right, the fear that everyone would have is that there's somebody who is just some diabolical genius, some sherlock holmes who can beat a lie detector and manages to get themselves on the jury and they have an absolute love affair with trump in their mind or they absolutely hate the man. how likely it is, both of these sides are highly qualified lawyers, how likely is it you could have a mole? it's not like jesse waters is correct, but how likely you could have someone who could get through the entire process, scrub their social media, and made it absolutely incapable of knowing how strongly they feel purely for the purposes of throwing the case for trump or against trump? >> i think it's highly unlikely. it's much less likely than john grisham or movie director might have you believe. what's much more likely is that

people may think that they can set aside their prejudices but all people always have subconscious feelings. i think realistically, the biggest thing that trump is looking for are not a hidden mole. they would have trouble finding that person if that person existed. i really think his lawyers are looking for people who look at the obvious and see things that are not obvious. the people who think that maybe there is a flat earth or maybe we're all part of a computer simulation. looking for people who are a little unusual. and see the world differently, but i don't really think you have to be too worried about the diabolical john grisham-like scenario. >> i mean, if you walk into the jury room wearing a maga hat saying birds aren't real and you're a patriots fan, maybe they think you're pro trump. katie, one of the other elements of this is, again, we talked about trump's danger, some of the problems he presents. and he has already violated his

gag order seven different times. and this is a quote from the judge. this is really key. defendant is directed to refrain from making or directing others to make statements about perspective jurors in this criminal proceeding. this is the thing and we talked a little bit about this. i want to know how far this goes. what is the scale of consequences for donald trump continuing to violate the gag order? because it doesn't seem like anybody has -- he's been violating gag orders like crazy. he's a dog chasing cars. he doesn't know what he's going to do but he's going to keep chasing the cars. no one is throwing him in jail. people have penalized him, they said it was bad, they gave him a smack on the wrist and he keeps going. what could actually happen here? what's the worst that could happen if he continues to violate the gag order and heaven forbid, something dangerous happens? >> the short answer and immediate answer is he could go to jail. he could be incarcerated.

that is allowed for under the new york laws and applicable procedures. it's a fine up to $1,000 each time, but it also can be a fine and jail or a fine or jail. putting it into context, the other times he violated gag orders, for example, justice engoron's gag order where he got dinged $15,000, that was in a civil fraud case. this is a criminal case. that's why you see what renato pointed out earlier, that the judge is not allowing the defense to get the names of these witnesses in advance, because of a fear of what donald trump is going to do. i know a lot of people who are tuning in watching are very impatient and they don't understand why the judge hasn't done anything yet, but i want to reassure people on tuesday there's a process and procedure by which this contempt hearing has to take place. under the rules and the law, you have to have an evidentiary hearing. it can't just be the judge saying i'm holding you in contempt of court.

you have to afford donald trump, i know it sounds unfair, but it's the way due process is, you have to afford donald trump the opportunity to be able to show cause, meaning prove or show why he should not be held in contempt of court because that's what the prosecution is seeking in this instance. that's what's going to happen on tuesday. that's why judge merchan today took all of those violations of the gag order and said i'm putting them all to be heard on tuesday morning. that's going to be done in the morning. i would also note, jason, another kind of component happening here is when our colleague yasmin vossoughian interviewed one of those excused jurors, she said he looked less orange in person. now, i beg to differ. i don't know if he looks less orange, but the reality is she's seeing a man that is forced to have to sit in court, and you take away all of the bluster, you take away all of this idea in the public and the media about what a big guy this guy is, and he's just this old dude sitting there looking orange and

tired. what it does, though, is i think it recalibrates everybody from the judge to the lawyers to the jurors to understand, he's just a guy. he's not a deity. he's not a cult leader. he's just a man who has violated the laws and just like all of us who violate a law, there's going to be consequences. when he violates a gag order, the judge is going to say you're not learning your lesson and i can put you in jail, or i can take you out of court, i can make you sit privately somewhere else. i won't let you have access to a phone. there's remedies and we'll see what happens on tuesday. >> i can imagine a circ*mstance where trump wants to be thrown out of court because then he doesn't have to pay attention. >> thank you so much, you guys have been a fantastic block to start us off today. she was a contestant on the apprentice, and a trump white house aide. few have better insight into trump's mindset on day three of

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. jury selection in donald trump's hush money trial resumed for the third day today. we have already seen a courtroom marked by fiery exchanges over facebook posts of perspective

jurors and trump's behavior. all of which is likely to get worse. now that, drum roll please, 12 new yorkers have officially been selected to decide the criminal trial in manhattan, a first for a former american president, you may have thought his social media screeds sound unhinged before. but they're going to get worse. you ain't seen nothing yet. remember, trump is required to attend every day that court is in session and to make nice. prosecutors say trump has violated the gag order imposed on him seven times, urging the judge overseeing the trial to hold him in contempt. how exactly will this fiasco go on for eight more weeks? joining me is omarosa manigualt newman, a former white house aide and contestant in the apprentice, also the best selling author of unhinged, an insider's account of the trump white house. great to see you. it's been a couple years since we have been able to chat.

i want to establish something here that is important for the audience to understand. you didn't just appear on the apprentice, but you continued to work with donald trump. you made other appearances on the apprentice and you worked in his white house. so you have a perspective as to how he behaves when he's in a position to judge people and how he may respond when he's in a position to hear judgment. so from your perspective, just overall, how do you think he's going to handle having to sit in trial every single day and listen to people talk about him? >> first of all, jason, great to see you. i will tell you i have had to sit through long tearmonies with donald trump. i had to sit next to him during long church services or different policy events and donald trump cannot focus, nor can he sit still for very long. in fact, we used to build our events specifically to address his attention deficit. we would break up the events so that he be stimulated and not fall asleep.

we could slide him different information or news articles he could read while the long proceedings were going on, anything to keep him focused so he wouldn't get up and walk out. i think it's going to be difficult for donald to sit through eight weeks of these proceedings. sometimes they're not exciting, sometimes they're very boring. and as you heard, he sometimes falls asleep during these sessions. >> and omarosa, also i wonder about this. if he starts to hear testimony that he doesn't like or that he's frustrated by or he doesn't believe in, is there a chance that he's going to blow up or he's going to blurt out and how would his lawyers try to handle that? >> i would absolutely say it's highly likely. you know, during the campaign, one of the things we used to say is let trump be trump. the worst place you can allow trump to be trump is in a courtroom. because donald trump will express himself. if he hears something he doesn't like, he cannot hide it, nor can he control his expressions, his

emotions, his outbursts. i suspect he may be held in contempt because he's not going to be able to control himself. >> one of the things i think a lot of people don't understand about you, and i would like for them to understand after this segment is you have a life now that people caught up on reality tv may not see. you're in law school. you're the first lady of a church. you have a different life than what a lot of people think. so i want to ask you this as a current first lady of a church in jacksonville who also used to work in this white house. donald trump is not a man who usually seeks redemption because he doesn't think he's wrong. but in a case like this, it's important to be able to present yourself, even just as a jury is watching you, as somebody who is penitent. do you see that in him? i mean, as somebody who worked for him, as somebody in the church today, do you they think that's something he can pull off? >> thank you for mentioning the church today, it's my husband's birthday, pastor newman, so happy birthday.

yes, i have sat thrown church services with donald trump. i have talked about religion with donald trump.corinthians, doesn't know about the bible, and he doesn't know about contrition. he's convinced himself by saying it over and over again that he's done nothing wrong in this particular case, and the evidence will speak to whether or not that's true. >> so the other part about this is these trials aren't just what's going to happen to donald trump but politically, as a political scientist, those who are watching the show, wonder what the impact of these trials will be on individuals who formerly supported trump. you were somebody who used to work in the trump white house, you left, you wrote a book, you talked about how it was chaos and a mess. as somebody who used to be part of team trump and worked on african american outreach in particular, do you think any of these trials, this trial in new york which is probably the most

salacious, if they result in a conviction, do you think that has an impact on people in trump world, and in particular, do you think african americans who supported trump may be less likely to support him now if this trial results in him being found guilty? >> let me take it a little further. prior to working in the trump white house, i worked in the clinton white house. so the independents are the most important voter bloc in this election. so the question really is whether the independents will be swayed. and i have to tell you that they will in fact be swayed if donald trump is found guilty of these charges. those are the most important folks right now that donald trump should be concerned about. and let's just hope for his sake that he can find a way to overcome that messaging when in fact he is or if in fact he is found guilty. >> one of the other things, and where want to make sure i end with this because i thank you so much for giving this particular kind of insight, one of the concerns a lot of people have in

this trial is these jurors being worried about their safety, worried that hey, if somebody finds out if who i am, the maga mob will come after me. you have seen people come under threat by appearing to stand up against donald trump. how real, as someone who has left trump world and now is an independent, how real are those concerns and what should the city of new york or the federal government do to keep these people safe as they stand against the former commander in chief? >> jason, their concerns are very, very well founded. as somebody who has been on the receiving end of that vitriol from donald trump, as someone who has been in litigation with donald trump, who has gone through this process for three years with donald trump, you should be very concerned. donald trump will stop at nothing to try to intimidate, to try to scare, to try to dissuade any of these jurors. so the court and the city of new york needs to take the extreme measures to protect their identity and protect their safety. it is imperative because donald

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arizona house republicans once again blocked a move to repeal the 1864 near total abortion ban that was enacted when lincoln was president. i wouldn't be allowed to be here. a separate bill in the arizona senate has moved forward but it will be weeks before they take it up. the 19th century law is set to go back into effect in june. the ripple effects are set to be felt for months. yesterday, election handicapper larry sabato. the arizona senate race he says now has moved from being a toss-up to being in favor of democratic representative ruben gallego actually taking the seat and winning against former republican gubernatorial loser kari lake. that's all because of the abortion ruling. this political earthquake will help mobilize voters in a state

that joe biden and kamala harris need to win. meanwhile, in pennsylvania, another key state they need to win, a fall ings of robert f. kennedy siblings and family members endorse president joe biden. >> president biden has been a champion for all the rights and freedoms that my father and uncle stood for. that's why nearly every single grandchild of joe and rose kennedy supports joe biden. that's right. that's right. the kennedy family endorses joe biden for president. >> rfk jr. announced he made it on the ballot in michigan which is like me saying i made it to the nfl draft. a state biden and harris must win but face challenges with the arab american community. alarm bells are also repeating

in georgia. joining me to discuss is rina shah, republican strategist and founder of relax strategies and alens yeah johnson, former adviser to the biden/harris campaign. thank you so much for joining me this evening. i'm going to start with georgia. i was just there. i had conversations with people on the ground who say this place is not going for joe biden this year. there are many, many issues on the ground. a lack of leadership, lack of organization, extremely unpopular democratic mayor in atlanta who is not going to be able to turn people out. this is not a state that joe biden has to have. this is a state that donald trump has to have. what do you think could be done with eight months before an election to turn a state around that was so critical to 2020 success. >> listen, i think there are going to be a lot of surprises between now and november. while for those of us who pay attention every day, it seems like it's tomorrow, but for a lot of voters i talk to, i was

just in florida as a conference, they're not paying attention so closely yet. we don't know what's going to happen. there's opportunity and there's time for the biden campaign to get on the ground and really talk about particularly to black voters what they have done, what this administration has done. this week is black maternal health week. they could do a lot around maternal health, what they're doing for women's rights. georgia has restrictive abortion laws. conversations about voting rights. in georgia, there's a bit of frustration there, but this is when they can have one-on-one community conversations to turn that around and remind the electorate of who donald trump is in all of thee cases he has all over the country including in georgia. >> joe biden won the state by the mysterious 1100 votes or whatever donald trump was talking about, but it's worth pointing out, this is in propublica, close to 100,000 voter registrations were challenged in georgia. almost all by six right wing activist said in july of last

year. new voting laws make it harder to get access to the ballot. objectively speaking it's harder to vote in georgia today than it was in 2020 or 2022. that seems like a ripe opportunity for republicans to flip the state back to red, right? >> and simply put, that's what republicans wanted. they wanted to make it more challenging for certain people to get at the polls. it's a very dirty tactic and this is again just part of the playbook we see extended. it's nothing new. it's, again, putting into the minds of voters this question, this is how the republican party has always operated. skepticism. deeper skepticism is now there, it's there in the urban sort of communities of atlanta. i'm thinking how are they feeling about the issues that are lower than economy, for example. are they going to be pro democracy voters, are they going to hear my chant that says your former president trump, if you voted for him, you ought to be concerned this time around because he wants to dismantle

the system and your fellow citizens in georgia suffered from that. we don't know how that message is resonating. there's really not any good empirical data that could lead me to any conclusions on how republicans can game out better turnout for trump. right now, it's a bit of a guessing game. >> i also think it's important you have a large number of republicans who have flipped the script. they previously hated donald trump and now they love the guy. i'll play sound from that. >> it is a horror show when he's left to his own devices. and so you may want his policies but trump will not deliver trump policies. he will deliver

our country cannot be a country for a troubled man. he will put his own interest and ego ahead of everything else including the country's interest. >> now, he is endorsing him. i will tell you, i have seen air dancers outside of car dealerships that are more reliable than bill barr. but it's worth mentioning all of the republicans who said this guy is a danger to everything, xhokty rsy have -- democracy have come ban r back and support them. is that going to make a difference? or were they baked into the cake? these are regular people i don't like him but they will vote for him is that changing anything or something we assumed would happen? >> i assumed it was going to happen. republicans want to hold on to power, mitch mcconnell barely

spoke to donald trump when he was president. here is my frustration with the republican party. there are some like barr, lindsey graham the list goes on and on have been wishy washy and now they support donald trump the base of the party is a maga basem*nt but the reality is there are a lot of republicans who question donald trump and my question to them are you then going to vote for joe biden? because that is your only other option if you are concerned about this person that you were concerned with when he was in office and out of office you are as well. it's interesting that you see folks like barr endorsing the republican ticket. i will say i don't think that their endorsem*nt is persuading the republican base, remember donald trump has gone off about them and called them rhinos and all that. >> what percentage of republicans do you think will jump to joe biden? >> i will be very frank and tell

you i don't think that many. i didn't vote in 2020 for biden thinking i would do it again this year and now i'm right in with biden again. this is the moment which you say what is more important? democracy or preserving norms or demand. and many people think they are creating permission structure for people like them they are misguided they are misguided . >> thank you for joining us on the reid out. as we near the 29th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing, it's worth remembering and reminding ourselves the dangers that violent right-wing extremism causes here at home. we continue right after this break. how many e did you tell? only pay for what you need. jingle: ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ baby: ♪ liberty. ♪

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. terror that heartland. a massive car bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown oklahoma city shattering that building killing children, killing federal employees, military men and civilians. the explosion came without warning at 9:00 a.m. stunning a wide area with a ferocious blast and left a 20-foot crater. the building crumbled sending an untold number to their deaths. that was 29 years ago tomorrow. the 19th of 1995.

the deadliest act of rit wing domestic terrorism in modern american history. the bombing of the federal building in oklahoma city killed 168 people, 19 of them children and injured hundreds more. it happened two years after another violent right-wing rallying cry. the standoff between the fbi agents and the branch dividians cult in texas. at the time, a lot of americans were horrified to learn the oklahoma city bomber was an american citizen. timothy mcvay carried out the attack in response to waco. he had handed out anti-government literature. and the seeds planted by the events of april 19th in 1993 and '95 are still alive in the american far right. take january 6 as extremists

which the proud boys the oath keepers and militia were in the crowd at that time attacked the capitol and tried to kill members of congress. last year donald trump held a rally in waco and vowed to be retribution. the hard truth is the united states has always been replete with racial terrorism from days of lynchings to krup policing even today. the waco oklahoma city we are now in a state where domestic terrorism isn't shocking the way it was 29 years ago. we've become the country where we used to criticize other countries for being living with consistent politically derived terrorism and that is not the sign of a healthy democracy and that is something we should think about this fall. that is it tonight's reid out. joy returns tomorrow night all in with chris hayes starts right now. . tonig

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